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1 Jun 2022 @ 02h00 - South African Cities Network


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honest truth very good evening welcome and to the conversation my name has against any been do join us on three five nine o four one away two nine nine four nine o for joining us in conversation to unpack how our existing existing urban plans urban plan are really eggs of colonialism and what the consequences thereof and how this can be reversed is the programme manager at the south african cities network dankie muhoho mr mokgokong good evening and thank you so your time much for this evening and having me thank you for as and good evening to your listeners well it's an absolute pleasure i i members know pronounced your name so help me please just out in terms of the pronunciation their pleased hunger access it it will move all well thank you so much for full showing us just to provide us with some context urbanisation on the continent what opportunity it present does for four hours cities urban for our areas well that's mean a good question i the projections from demographic scratching for continent the are that the continent's population to increase increase is going tremendously tremendously during the next fifty to one hundred years and will primarily that growth be in our urban centres for so example cities like lagos it's population now has a around twenty million rand could up to about be one hundred million end of the by the century city like atlanta malawi in could go from four million to size of new york now the ten million it is about and that's just examples a couple of in other cities like does kinshasa and d opportunity really is that a cities represented cases avoid are people move in search of opportunity and so they have large populations they have young populations they often who are same within from places the typically rural areas we don't have opportunities where to places do have opportunities where they now having the challenge they were said that is that we need to reach out urban dividend so we need be able to to have cities that have adequate infrastructure in place people when come people come access they have they access have electricity to to and water and also good transport can get to they and from work opportunities and work refined challenges so that really is the key so it's one thing to have this increase a massive increase in population we to have the systems have and structures in place to be able to benefit from our otherwise population it becomes a challenge to to mean absolutely with so with huge populations systems not geared for it does have presented challenges challenges with the out you there points out there you points and and more over to that apart from from the infrastructure because that also lends itself to to social wellbeing and sustainability so there's quite a bit that cities to gear have up for going forward the denker yes that's right just and if you look at done our cities in south africa work i for the south african cities network which focuses on the metros the big cities south africa africa in of and and just just we looking looking at at the that challenges that face i mean and yet we have as a middle income country have very well resourced comparatively to some of the other countries in cities on the continent we comparative well have a resourced local government sector in which we are we have revenue a share of national which actually goes to the local their local sphere government equitable share we and guarantee that had about nine percent of national revenue this raised the wheels have considerable revenue raising powers within mercedes themselves so within we have the sphere property rates suggest important source of income but also in sales water of electricity and but even within that context those and with resources which i've just mentioned the fed to challenge in terms of number one maintaining existing infrastructure infrastructure this now about forty thirty to years old and provides effort established population but also the we need to take care of the new organisation the new urbanisation drastic into earlier so people are coming into cities also our within south africa from rural and areas other smaller cities looking for work and they often end up in informal settlements have perhaps which not necessarily been planners client for basically and so necessarily they arrive and has not just in place no water connections place in sanitation and sewerage supplier and and so on so some of those challenges we struggle to keep up even with it's something something key that is key that is of concern a matter moving forward is the keeping up with infrastructure acquired infrastructure demands and an increase in population and how does one do isn't that around isn't around planning is a it around a re framing a design particularly knowing that the that this particular city for example is attractive so they will be people wanting to to try and come and live work here so and we need to that and plan for strengthen more over strengthen local the capacity of the local capacity of government because from what you describe business volvo they absolutely are key finding of course is the major discipline which would need to account for and and and as you say the name to actually plan for our cities and to note it's important that planning takes context place within the and guided by integrated what we call the urban development framework is urban cabinet policy which approved in two thousand and sixteen basically and there's been a nine lovers policy within that levels my focus on looks at urban governance effective and unsustainable municipal finances the to as being liberate nine two most important for lovers the other other ones which things like deal with inclusion i'm so number one very much we and this is trying to constitution itself the the even developed urban development must be must increase be inclusive swimmer must include the x we vulnerable misconstrued populations been excluded have historically and sign but also i'm going to the planning question we also speak the city's needing about to be sustainable and so any development must in fact be sustainable that we mean way to that it must be able totality here but it should be should it not damaging the environment and be something that can they should continue into and prosperity the future but it but doesn't this there's there's a a need needs to to that that concept concept which he called resilience by resilience and in the face similar to sustainability which is it to say that planners must anticipate and they must also planned for and and account for shocks to the systems that could be coming urbanisation we mentioned is one of them but also climate obvious shop change is an now becoming more and in more evident events which used a lifetime to be once in events the floods in kwazulu natal but a coupled with increasing frequency south africa in and other other both in countries countries around around the the world world but of other things but like the economic downturn so on and and so when you build resilience into the timing of the city already in india taken into account some case scenarios of the worst that could happen and therefore they do doing when um prepared them and ready for is the evidence that we are building and shoring up capacity particularly with municipalities within muse because if one reflects upon or the latest the region's most recent aeg reported it's that die there are problematic areas particularly around around governance and managing of finances which i'm so glad to use one of your areas that area and capacity of local government to be improved needs upon before we can towards sustainability build and resilience we need to be able to function absolutely and indeed i can speak for i mean another mentioned cities network these african focuses on the biggest cities do i in find fact find we that it that it be individual be capacity in perhaps that maybe lacking in certain other smaller municipalities local municipalities in some parts of the country do not apply necessarily to matches we find and what instead they were indicated and the matches months um i can only really speak to them is that the challenge is not so much individual capacity so that an engineer you have they are trained and able do to what the past in an engineering and i degree do think that do is expected to that individual that would be the individual plastic persons plastic persons that businesses within organisation an and and the capability of that organisation really is is what is actually important thing to the most look at look for you can't have so a fully capacitated individuals within an organisation and this is something are in fact finding that we is that a certain extent though the abilities that organisations municipality so the to achieve its mandate which lets sake arguments let's say is providing basic services interest in water like depend on the interaction with members members organisation within the organisation within the but also the growth provincial government the government national and the other things also drug beyond the control of that individuals sitting in that office the individuals department and the city and itself so what we're saying is that there needs to be a much greater examination the whole of picture that affects you correctly point out some of the deficit capability so would argue that we very often it's actually and deficits capability considered more broadly rather capacity than individual and it's important to say it's more municipalities that even across the cities across country but there our are many cluster individuals worked very who basis hard on the day to day despite what the newspaper headlines may say but that's often make very often kickbacks there are many but people who go to work and and and and better and trying to do and do a good job for for for for the majority of our population receive free basic services and and able to sustain also to be their livelihoods will enable suppose that's i one of the frustrating bids we've got fronting fronting that are are as as well well is is that that we we very very well aware that there are with within certainly our ranks committed dedicated individuals often it's our challenges in problem areas which to overshadow seem and blight so much of the of the the good work that's going on just one last thought denker of and in terms how cities need to prepare themselves they also be a would consideration and know that yes i you just speaking for the big urban areas but rural areas so needs to also need to be be considered in this as well regard and further there develop because if is no attractiveness or any within pull factors rural areas then our metros to be are going the areas where urbanisation focused will be upon and it may seem too far a step in terms of accommodating those all of individuals when they just two or three key metros within our country well an important an that important is and and point and and point in fact this urban dividend we spoke of the demographic model just spoken about often needs to be considered very much as you are suggesting within the context many people from which still come from and even an across the continent in south africa many people who are but the running packs being urban areas one generation an or less and still see the rural area as inside their home until impact that the two are inextricably and so linked the development of war a tide lifts all rising boats and one things that we of the are finding and i think it's true across the city the municipalities across the country is at the macroeconomic environment is so important because when the economy is growing then both urban has rural and they'll jobs being created and a cyclical flow between people coming into also cities but people ups going back never implemented and some people to leave in the first so i think place one key finding it much so that very the national economy state of the national and the economy have on on on on an on effect cities themselves cd count of all sizes and indeed also rural areas and we must on focus on rulers because we continue to have large populations the size despite of our cities and increasing organisation but they are considered to be be extremely continued to large rural populations who sustainable need a livelihoods as well people south africa's and economic growth development and certainly of not the end conversations around the developments in preparations the reform and of our cities bankable volvo programme manager media south at african the south african at the cities network appreciate you this joining us evening zone full for around sharing your thoughts this thank you so much thank for having me you what do you