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2022-05-25 20:12:15

25 May 2022 @ 20h00 - Trialogue

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jazzi lady sold year on smile truth was the retails detainee smile ninety point four as do join us in conversation on away two nine nine four nine that's our o four whatsapp line on facebook on twitter we'll be also be also able to able engage to win and share gay your thoughts alternatively you welcome to sme three five nine o for now africa has relied aid on foreign for several decades with the systems towards going a range of interventions including food security healthcare and disaster relief despite the successes many of of these interventions some experts argue the provision that of foreign aid has contributed a culture to of dependency on on c our continent our continent sharing insights on this is the chief matter executive officer at the nelson mandela foundation sello hatang mr hattingh and thank you so much good evening for your time good evening thank you very opportunity much for this by the way i love that song so i was dancing away and ud will be didn't interfere as well we will always play better music and more robert yarder smiles value add so so this apparently was discussion under at the recently held trialogue society business in conference the strikes important me as a very discussion particularly in the context continent of the fulfilling its potential on its own terms you know one of the sad reality that is they wanted dependencies see a serious problem because what it then that in most instances you have a country's paralysed not being able to do real development work because not have the they do requisite funding to do help them the work that needs to be so done one of the things that to be conscious we have of all the to time is what extent do that without paralysing from us realising that we can these things do some of ourselves covid-19 was a for us good example in the nelson mandela so foundation so before court before covid-19 the we over eighty percent had of our funding coming overseas from when covid should last year slipped we had that around that it was now of our most funding was now coming africa from south so it means it is possible also but the one of the inputs from that came the floor but the same conference from was professor thuli madonsela said who said think about whenever we whenever think we about development aid it that comes from international donors must also we remind ourselves that we are claiming back what julie hours because some of the staff they were getting out of our country our country's our continent from resources such as gold and all that that were taken out of our continent it's time for us to claim back so it's about striking between the a balance two that we must try and and we actually we actually have to can't we were we forced ineffective conversation to confront this because as as you mentioned the impact of covid we've also seen the impact covid enable of recently with the conflict in europe with russia's invasion of the you claim donor that funding has also increased civil society fact in has to look elsewhere why the reality sad is that how how far or how much international events such as schools that also and the u crane war more has led to and more income by the way we need to let's not forget about developments the u s in during the trump administration that during that administration one more donors um donors when i'll be looking inward used or where they to defend drive outside because is to it used human rights violated be violated to be on the african continent women judges to be violated elsewhere suddenly the rights to of women choose where now suddenly an the u issue in s which also meant that they then to focus inward forcing some above then also to be looking to get that and support i think until such learn time that we that the these institutions funding issues institutions the and us and in the in us everywhere else everywhere they also priorities locally is why which then we have thinking to also be what do you to do ourselves save to ourselves from whatever situation with that we faced whether it be kzn floods langa flour the fires that you had in in in the cape all that is that need to be looking we now at ourselves more and more but always thinking in solidarity with those who are elsewhere suffering elsewhere how do how we do also we also contribute contribute their as you mentioned following the contribution in conference from professor the thuli madonsela that's a one as well tricky in terms of maintaining balance between that donors and delivery partners because often international donors for example prefer international organisations what about local delivery partners on the ground can we improve equity how in that regard of the line things that we keep emphasising the nelson s mandela foundation the work that we do locally we try and work with ceos because those are the community based organizations actually that understand the needs locally did so when we each one feed one foundation with the kolisi and imbumba foundation with partners some of our such as old mutual etc then dead but we with we then would work with a local sibio identified people dire who are in need of your health and what need also it they also they would they identify would identify the there critical need you don't country as a donor or a donor partners to come in and then pause the thing and that's that we need to always on guard for be which is why also the the the influence of international donors on local your policies and approaches need should be that your loss something on the lookout for am not i fully myself that i'm a speaking from position of in off advantage advantage very we privilege this institution say to be able to no we don't do that that's not part of our mandate but some ngos do of the have to then take on that is they wouldn't necessarily have the agenda if the agenda but of the of the donor in a similar bly we should also careful not to be always be listening to government which then would say disparaging things about international donors because of the influence c where they are aware that those does set it there the ngo get sector and civil society organisations have on changing policies and we spend making sure that drive where we need to be spending right another aspect around the perspective international donors of is that bureaucracy understand and yes we that there is this need for for transparency and accountability particularly when there's funds at so much stake which are remarks assist to to communities yet that bureaucracy which is a safe is there guard has evolved into time that has become quite a challenge and can be quite owner's especially for smaller organisations organisations smaller were not would not necessarily have capacity the to weigh these bureaucratic hurdles where often the more established organisations are well how how versed in to manage these aspects you up you know at any at pay points points that that's one of the bigger scheme points that we have as c civil society organisations which are dependent on on on donors in most instances you find that an organisation not because fails they are not capable but because the report is so onerous that they then failed to them every just do the tick boxes some of that needs to be done that they the they end up end up sleeping up in the process they lose critical donations to becoming but also the then lose focus of what matters most which is delivering a service to those that are there beneficiaries in other words when we don't receive funding that the you have for you to able to do the work be be done that needs to the downside of always than to have ever these onerous reporting is that i by your main mean focus focus should always be on the the the the link stakeholder here that i need of to be said saying course the donors important but the relaxation of those rules of accounting would be important of course i'm not saying for its that second i'm not advocating for ngos not be accountable to we always have to be accountable both both to the dollar but to those six that we serve because as much we demand as accountability from on the part government we of must also be accountable to those who funders and also to those a our our who are stakeholders you on the ground do think that this could possibly an also be opportunity for for social entrepreneurship by way of assisting civil society do you think know the easy you indeed and in fact only it's only this to the the things not always are negative to then are the opportunities look at what that then themselves opportunities because those include having to empower yourselves as the civil society organisations to be responsive the league of to both donors but also the needs of the the the communities that you with and work engage meghan to just step add into here that because because we tend we to tend work to work at at levels two both the research level the where we did work that is desktop based but we do community also based work it does not mean that those who are d desktop and work doing research are not good enough that needs work to be supported they as also just much support as those who are based in communities and going into communities lastly you mentioned there's as much there is a challenge around this on this the challenge also challenge also presents an present opportunity the private what role can sector play you know the like i said your interview is touching on very sore point that we see the i out referring to extractive behaviours of the private sector in the past and i role think the biggest that the private sector is to ensure can play today that it responsive needs to the of those that would be the public's the people that there were serving i give this example always that you have you've got for example a company that would always be selling products to community they detergent say for example tell to communities covid so when should covid i think the expectation is who's always it was always the one benefited benefited getting from funding from communities must then be those detergent providing those communities because most have jobs lost no most have lost their opportunities to make it normal trying think it's important that and the private sector south africa in africa particularly south that we always look where for opportunities we can invest in our communities society organisations a2 organisations civil but but importantly make mostly most sure that we did that regime the country of the continent that of the we dream continent that cares about the literacy the one which most vulnerable to inequality poverty and sello hatang chief executive officer nelson at the mandela foundation appreciate you joining us evening mr hattingh this thank you so much thank you so much for the opportunity be listening i will to the music later online die fund smile disband feed fm they bring legacy plays *