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2022-04-25 08:12:11

25 Apr 2022 @ 08h15 - South African Cities Network


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this morning it is eleven minutes past eight and therefore dive into time for us to our conversation with jody allemann very excited for this one south african cities was established network to its partners network of cities and trying to encourage the exchange of information to help us drive ourselves forward they the likes of include cape town johannesburg ekurhuleni ethekwini ethekwini buffalo city buffalo city bay nelson nelson mandela mangaung amongst others and msunduzi pietermaritzburg which was in tshwane trying to reach the goals of productivity inclusion and sustainable and spatially transform cities the fifth state of south african report has cities been released and contributed jody herself has that on cape town very hear excited to from you welcome back jody how to the show are you this morning i'm great thanks thanks for having me course again with of you you you you obviously contributed obviously to contributed this to this this and this report some of the areas to stand where we seem out and in cape town that it seems to stand out is from from others an air pollution water pollution land littering and degradation perspective tell us a that bit about so we and just to just to come have the report is written by south african cities network to collect all the information across the board under different themes think it would be great to and i from the have someone south african cities network c two key to work detail in detail words can on the on different chapters and all the familiar with different chapters i contributed on productive cities the chapter which is the chapter on on the economic performance of of the different cities some best position to answer questions that on specifically by all means please perspectives share your sell so the the the theme this is it's for time the south african cities network takes on this mammoth task together of pulling the report on the state is about it a takes on a different thing this and year's theme was cooperative governance and sort really of expanding our definition of governance from from being just about sort of good in the traditional governance sense of well from well governed a financial perspective thing and that sort of to really recognising that our cities are facing a host of really complex societal sustainability issues issues economic issues and that and that our legislative our legislative framework frameworks way in the in which they set out our functions and mandate to act on these issues require that we govern in cooperative way both intergovernmental leave as well as with society the whole of with non state actors civil society actors and private sector actors so look at it we had to of the themes in the report from that perspective and really unpack sort of how our cities on taking on that the challenges the that challenges are they facing face from they from these in governing terms of and a whole of society approach and economic development is not is not a new issue for cities to be to be facing a relatively mature space where you know a long time for municipalities a particular metro municipalities have had platforms local economic development teams platforms and dedicated and there's been it's a been a a of community a of community practice of practice sort of sort working space in a and so there are areas where there are established sort of partnerships and things that and some of those like areas are cases like sharing of data across across of government different parts and a lot of credit to to women like kirsten pearson than karen harrison surely robert cities sort of like really driven them important data sharing things like that then of course it a and very local level there are some examples in cities town and cape really through stands where out in that regard we've had examples like the cape town partnership and city improvement districts and greater tygerberg partnership and things like of that which are examples place based economic development partnership initiatives that focus on a spatial development initiative economic that has development returns said it's a lot more it's said more in the in chapter the about chapter about of the different the different types of economic development partnerships of course can't talk we about economic development without in our context talking about inequality and the sort of underlying exclusion from our our economies ja i think just a little bit of time talk about to the findings but i guess i might the question look is the more that i and inequality is definitely the same same for for for for cape cape town town when when it it comes comes to mix and that plays out and every other i week know you may have focus one area but only on single it plays out in every one right nutrition during social impact of the things one for example and i'm sure it's touched on not in the report and where the economics and plays into this or does one but if it does perspective from your gang and other violence is is on really it feels it's to me as though it's it's intensifying intensifying less affluent in less affluent in neighbourhoods and in and probably by exacerbated where we are economically postponed or in the pandemic deep in sa it or any of those because it seems idiosyncratic to cape town of all the cities recovered to the extent which it is just a part our day to day life of sort is in that of covered so i think this a few chapters that is will touch on social vulnerability a and criminality there is on inclusion a chapter specifically and then the productivity focuses chapter on economic inclusion directly and i think crime and gang system takes different forms different cities so in we have a particular type of gangster in cape different town but there are forms of criminal networks and social that vulnerability pops up in different ways in for example ethekwini there's a different form is president but it and i think the important from from a point productive cities perspective is that every it resident an inner inner city city people people come come people migrate to to city cities to cities all around the world because they are seeking an opportunity to be productive to earn an income that to allows them live a reasonable light and when our when balance of the gains of productivity not is being distributed across society in a way that allows people to access bigger of that productivity they will seek other ways them to to allow delivery life and and lot of mechanisms there's a in our society that are perpetuating are exclusion there is within individual firms mechanism that keep certain people earning very very low and other people earning very very and there is mechanisms high that are keeping thirteen firms holding a very strong position in our economy and making it very difficult for entrants to new break in spatial mechanisms entire that hold part of our part of our our cities our far away from access to meaningful participation in sort of growth and gay in productivity gains in in in city where parts of our there is growth where been there has growth in some parts about metros in some so we that is the situation have we to be able to recognise those structural barriers to inclusion and our economic growth policy has to intervene in those structural barriers that cannot simply be okay well we are going to grow the economy we have to recognise that there is those three types of inequality and intervene in those three types of inequality otherwise people will be driven to find access to a means of living productively form in some in an urban environment what happens to report like this the size us talking her on the radio about i mean do you purchase directly to policy makers do it to corporations two corporations you put or or know i i'm using pitch loosely you are a i know that thinker and not arcelor does not get and taken on board or this is this just is saying a way of them and we are thinking about and then these things just carry on doing the same again i don't understand also for cities network south african but they made in south africa is a next week where members cities regularly convened to discuss this stage sort of research advance their and advance their and and their practice policy practices processes and things like that and the team from south african are cities network on a roadshow to take this work around around the country and engage with members their and also to engage with other parts peers from of government not just metro leaders government so definitely does stop for them at an online publication and certainly for authors star a are somewhat academics some practitioners certainly we certainly but we don't stop don't stop writing and send it off we all thoughts take these entire respective spaces as well so don't they write it once every five years and the pet becomes material that in they will use there in their network engagements with show the i mean we hope we see it playing out in our lives with where i'm going always a pleasure to get your brilliant insights independent city strategist on minutes past years your eight traffic