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4 Nov 2021 @ 20h45 - South African Cities Network


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twenty minutes it is update it's our thought pm leader thursday segment on this thursday and i thought leader on this thursday is irrelevant for some we've seen of the outcomes that over the last day or so the ceo of the south african cities network is our thought leader on this thursday the and city's networks and established african network of south cities and partners who of information encourage the exchange and experiences and best practices city on management and urban development issues much of the a list of all many of metros that our the last poles have been contested over his name is stolen by hunger and he's certainly been in the local and cooperative governance space for many years us joins this us this and he joins evening as evening our as thought our leader thought leader mhlekazi maswanganyi mhlanga good evening and welcome good evening and good evening to you the listeners how are i'm well thank you i'm you very much for well thank taking time out join us before to we get i guess the into detail of the work that network the city's does let's maybe just a brief start and get background of whose tolo mpumalanga is and more importantly i guess how you made your way into this area of cooperative governance municipal partnership partnership city management city management urban resilience and many of you work the other things that on while at ryk saw thanks thanks again ayabonga but let brief me just in i i i i am a former student activist was at durban westville university part and parcel and of my experience activism and student led me in an interest area of in the governance particularly a particularly public governance public governance whilst i was at kzn started working i for a number of ngos there that's where intra and in democracy and governance system didiza the institute for multiparty democracy national the business initiative and i just be happened to fortunate enough to be drawn first into the cohort of people but when trust put together to this animal that today to contend we have with as municipality area in in the of governance called the integrated development plan so so i was fortunate enough to have been part and parcel conceptualise of those people that household municipalities grow about managing these institutions once they have been given back by democracy how would they go about the function changing of our municipalities and think to act while racialised basin into ones that are more but i'm inclusive much nonracial but are for really working all south africans and i suspect that the rest is history because the absa was quickly i brought into what the department used to be of provincial and government local government and and and and at at its current parcel of what i had to work with and talent parcel of the local government process transition to look at how will these institutions become learning institutions and that's where the idea of putting together a a cities network a local or government to network but is focused on learning got to be formulated young quite interested in that moment because because a way way it frames frames i i guess guess in in a a lot of the latter work of the cities network but also of the issues some now that we are faced with with the elections backdrop talked time about that mean designing a new system that wasn't there before what kind of considerations were and centre front there and when you look you know at what you came up and even the white with them paper then we are now and where some of your own on that reflections so i think one thing for me the but never escapes i think my mind when about that period was the character of the types of human beings involved that were in that extra mine you you you you heard people that had government municipalities before that's governed under the old apartheid system and you also had the enthusiasm virtual people brought by that claim from civil society organisations that were very much interested in in it is that how how reality ought to exist then and you also had hard kom political but came people from outside of organisations such the united as democratic front particularly those that were in and so it was a mixture a good of people important but i think the most thing across all of say them i must they seem all to display a thing which is in which is common commitment commitment to south africa so it's not just about being part and parcel of the local government negotiation me into the white government paper on local which was also very committed people so it went beyond just participating one so that's the thing but front and centre of debate the one how do we make our country nonracial how do we make the ordinary citizen feel recognised recognised as being as being and parcel part of a contributor in whatever and space in whatever role that they have mean one i of the things that that for instance firms our revenue mechanism as a country a progressive tax system right that say everybody pays tax even unemployed people by the way patent rights because we all pay value added tax one way or the other even if you are unemployed you're still contribute to the revenue streams of the country however little might be it and therefore it differs depending on what level of income strata are that was so so the one thing that i think was there i remember we came out types of of slither nearing up spoke about one a one city one tax base and the point that was being expressed that point time is that in we we are are all all the the contributing contributing to to growth growth of of a city you coming from could be a a a rural hinterland coming into the city once you up a your action by their very nature contribute to revenue the base therefore to the economy and therefore to the gross domestic product of the region that you are located in large are taking whether you a ride taxi or whether buying are the most expensive mode least of transport at like an an aeroplane aeroplane or or whatever whatever the the case case might might be be whether you are purchasing a of milk bottle whereby your pouring petrol there is part of your activity contribute to the gdp hands was born then the motion in one way or the other all given that we are committed south africans and the democratic are committed to agenda onto the agenda of democratisation the agenda we would all be contributing i think those two things still strike as me today things that but interest are of are of in how our democracy particularly local government democracy evolving and and the work that do i guess you gives expression to of a this idea learning a city administration were learning urban development framework as it evolves and yet many people i guess up just by not turning for the vote and effectively this showed the satisfaction with how many of the year cities are run and certainly if you think and you add to that the impact covid-19 of on the sustainability of cities their ability to offer services and a financial even i guess the wellbeing it lot of what does mean that a was worked what was designed on that and then in very well ways intentioned is consistently might be under threat or i guess or confronted by challenges that that are you are you calling calling i guess a pushing for a different are even way some people calling for succession of in some parts the well in some country what parts of our do you make of those developments in the context of how cities have evolved in particular in our eight metros i think firstly i think i mean look at results the as you have what she said me is the fact that at least half half the of the voting of population did express not how they felt i think it had the sense that in my language fix it begins to question the legitimacy of the government actually be running the municipality is that a good which is which thing for for for democracy i must say i think it upon calls us as a nation to question ourselves to question ourselves but what going what is it to mean to me i mean one of the things that i want to say we haven't yet and that we to ask were going what does this thing of coalition and my sense is that i'd on personally do i not think that our people at least fifty percent that voted i don't think they are saying the government but much be established must at a local government must coalition governments be i live in alternative dmi is that view i think there instructing political organisations and civil society organisation and the independence everybody and that is and that political port have been instructed they to form co operation government not coalition government and and i think we might we need to avoid being blindly trapped into this into this lack con of the a because coalition the government because even by its very definition a coalition signifies is temporary something that something that in political slogan hearing is called unhealthily an unruly alliance meant that jet to achieve a short term objective yet and i think i think i think our people broadly speaking are asking for a corporation cooperate as as as as those that those will that be will be be those that will in power and in offices of government of government in such are able a manner that you to balance the fact must that you grow the economy right time but at the same economy must be inclusive of poor people sure action before for one i so so i i i'm almost ready to to to almost to put together an that opinion piece they the issue a here is co operative lack of lack co of governance governance or cooperative government it's not about policy that's just my but opinion it seems lack of cooperation that that is also at times vertical and horizontal so horizontal between different political we have to parties paddle together an agreement pass budgets to and to get things done also but between different tiers of government we about this district hear development model now as alignment mechanism an because clearly you know local governments in strict governments and provincial administrations and national i sometimes you know tandem just not working in and in other cases mahlangu condones ahmed ja so packed but to be in competition is the nature of the beast human called a being i don't think it is intended that there should be competition between the various for instance spheres of government of government's malaria malaria years of of of of governing of of must now these are the problems problem of the local government i think the and intention as our constitutional fathers and have had mothers would it when constitution they report about the was that there should be cooperation all levels across of government trends i is very think it intelligent of the current administration have institutionalised institutionalised to the district development model its intention is because very clear and i stand from where early evolution is about saying get your national and provincial governments to start filtering resourceful to lowest level in a municipality not is at a what level up as far down as difficult there shall never however i think the offline for now pgm in the pgm anyway in the just and my and that is opinion is that the pgm assume that the municipality are themselves ready to receive those resources that are coming from national provincial government and that on on the one the one access but there's also access where the both the civil society organisations well as as the private sector our ready willing players and in the local government space what extent to are municipal government ready to not receive just the public sector support but the private also sector support and also play meaningfully with civil society organisation as at them well and look as meaningful partners in the government of spaces a very big question i think that is confronting the incoming administration local government in the space not only them but just generally there is going to be more focus on how they they are are going going to to govern govern given given the new mandate the that they have been given as i said before and for me the mandate is not coalition i think the me incorporates mandate for how do you cooperative governance if we are unable so to learn from past six the x number of years twenty years of democratising local government that is that society what has been calling for cooperation then to be a big going challenge is new administration that are coming into office the last last maybe comment i comment mean the emergence of or re emergence i omitted of savings whatever form you in it might want it i mean might be localised based ones or even the more loose national collective of independence do you make of what that development and guess is i that something that might potentially contribute more participate reforms of democracy you your role in the spoke about design of integrated development planning on one they may remind remind day you you of of the the days of of the united democratic front well in some parts of the calibre of ideas right and there was a lot of agility in system the but had been established by liberation that movements was established to confront apartheid had on right and i think that was the the the ingredient of success lies i think important for us to it's effect but even independent people or people that do not want be associated to with political party a say have ideas they to contribute to the question is how are the idea is going debated to be into the ipps financial still nothing wrong with integrated development plan or planning the concepts still nothing wrong with putting in place district a development more our model harness that seeks to all these resources and efforts particular into a space but the question is these how are new administration that are coming into office now going to stimulate ideas for people but otherwise wants to because independent and here's michael but those independent i'm not going to into the fall trap ma'am that their predecessors have heard where howa become become obsession of an right i fashion think it's also important they that learn from the mistakes fact that there were that were looted in which power in in certain instances anywhere to be the only factor on the table so ja we have i think to welcome aboard the differentiation dilute they being the decision making they make decision making the very difficult but i think me that should not for think the question be the problem i b should be how their how their ideas going to id be brought in onto the table a serious well that they so also part transformation and parcel of the process but of course the african thing but i think we shouldn't compromise think we should i don't compromise the fact have to create that we and transform into a nonracial send an inclusive society as a dumping which so anyone who therefore come let me the idea that contrary to the to the ideas of 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society as that people above society from sinzi away people like prudence residing me what people in society whose job is to articulate life trying to transfer data metro metro f talk f m it and is my it is indeed thought leader on this thursday the chief executive is at the south african cities network mr sithole mabanga and go to the break we had to there so i wanted you to pause there for a second i think it's it's worth but restating what you feel as a non negotiable do try as we and build forward our a bit better in cooperative governance framework so please just maybe restate that for some might of our listeners who have lost it to jump there as we had to the that the i was saying mean the issues that must not compromise are issues that are entailed or articulated in in in the constitution the principles of of nonracialism of the principle of humanity solidarity and human the principles of of of working together and i mean most recently everybody has embraced the the all slogan of all slogan of of society of and whole of government not a different way of of of how it talking to is that together we should be working rather than working as a bursaries as as is the case currently hence i am saying the warning lights for us for all of should there and we shouldn't be trapped in the and terminology of aig government a coalition principles are creating a transformed society it shouldn't surely make make anybody happy but are some affording lies and other just can not we should all be concerned our when some of south african and global citizen and are unable to afford life so when light difficult become to try to make it as possible so housing is one such things public transportation is one such energy energy in the context of in a the car changing energy complex how do you make sure that people do have access to energy and food insecurity education health at a time when we are facing a health emergency such as covid and others even before covid we have to leave there and we it will look forward bad to that on co operation rather than coalition i want to thank you for taking but out to speak to was time much the sending very and thank you very much was that there the ceo of the south african cities network sithole among joining us this evening and giving us some reflections from somebody who we think about the design when of our system of multiple tired and i guess one envisages cooperative forms of governance which be tested are going to during this moment of these results that we've seen are anything to are go anything to go by and i by love to hear your thoughts would take on that will this brief break when we come back